Auction: https://www.sav.com/auctions/details/7073489/hexbear.net
Not sure what will happen, but seems to be a Fediverselore event for sure
Update: post from hexbear admin on chapo.chat: https://chapo.chat/post/4468531
They’ll probably stay in chapo.chat, and instance owners will update their blocked lists. A few users lost because they can’t be arsed to re-register, instead using
.ml. But, past that, not much is going to change, I think.I’m mildly curious on what’s going to happen with their older domain - or, what the winning bidder will make out of it. (Document bad online behaviour? Make it about NATO to rub salt on their wounds? What else?)
Except they already said that the same issue will occur with the backup name as well. Unless the additional time allows the original owner to finally reregister it this time, as they (reportedly) claimed to be ready to do for the main one as well. I think they don’t trust them anymore:-).
So everyone might move, then have to move again a second time. Not joking btw!:-)
Is it weird that I feel bad for them? Whoever is to blame, a lot of the users are innocent of this. And are also trolls, true, but even so… It would be nice if some people would learn from this that online trolling is one thing, but eventually it’s even better to wake up and live in the real world. I want that for them.
I think that the additional time will be enough to let them contact the original owner. But dunno, there might be some drama involved, IIRC not even the original devs want much to do with HB.
And even if they move twice, the userbase seems close-knit enough to follow without too many losses.
Is it weird that I feel bad for them?
I don’t think it is. The main problem there seems to be users going rogue outside their home instance; I remember HB had some rule like “respect rules of the other instances you interact with”, but it was toilet paper. However plenty of the other users are completely OK.
Another issue is that there is some red scare against them. And even if they use it to shield themselves from actual criticism in a really dumb way, the red scare is still there.
They did contact the original owner - who promised (reputedly) to take care of it. Then disappeared (yet again, after repeatedly having done so in the past so many times before). It’s even possible that they did this out of some kind of spite? But perhaps not, maybe it’s merely irresponsibility, and even that due to ADHD or some such, who knows (I did not read through every comment, just enough to know this much).
It is not merely users going rouge (edit: no you know what, fuck it, I’m leaving this spelling exactly as it is, bc it’s 2025 baby! and this apparently is how we roll now) there are posts (not merely moderator reports, which don’t federate particularly with their older software) where they are made aware, and the admins chose to ignore the situation each time rather than ban the person involved. They actively shielded them from consequences, rather than merely allowing them to do whatever. Thus necessitating others to take steps of their own to deal with matters.
Seeing how “responsible” they are, nobody believes the red scare issue - especially people who are ACTUALLY leftist as opposed to whatever fucked up thing tankies are to begin with, and then like that squared (three times over) and possibly reversed and shifted further into the imaginary dimension, to describe whatever the heck Hexbear has going on specifically. Regardless of political views. imho at least, ofc:-).
They did contact the original owner - who promised (reputedly) to take care of it.
That’s important info.
Perhaps the original owner is so disengaged already that they aren’t giving too much of a fuck about the fate of the instance. I can’t exactly blame them.
It is not merely users going rouge (edit: no you know what, fuck it, I’m leaving this spelling exactly as it is, bc it’s 2025 baby! and this apparently is how we roll now)
Stop making me remember a certain movie! Okay, the movie is great, so keep reminding me of it. (Moulin Rouge. Their version of Roxanne is way better than The Police’s original. Kind of like Concrete Blonde’s Everybody Knows vs. Cohen’s)
But I digress. Yes, the users were going rouge :-P under the implicit approval of the instance admins; that’s why I say that the rule there against misbehaving in other instances was “toilet paper”, it’s just there to get shit.
Seeing how “responsible” they are, nobody believes the red scare issue
Yup. It’s like the boy who cried wolf, isn’t it?
Anyway, I hope that the good ones still stick around. And even the bad ones should get a place… just away from my sight. (Perhaps in truth social, showing their “critical support” to Trump. Hehe.)
They openly idolize Stalin. That’s not from a couple rogue users
I’m not a fan of Hitler or anything
I just really really hate the guy who beat him
Stalin was a fine with Hitler. Helped Hitler invade Poland. Killing some of my family. Then massacring ethnic polish at home, killing more family. Stalin only turned against Hitler after Hitler crossed him. That the Soviet Union helped defeat Hitler was fine. But doesn’t excuse allying with him first. Or the Soviet genocides and oppression.
Deep down I want to know if you’re lying deliberately because you’re a nazi or if you’re just a particularly stupid person.
Hitler had a book. In it he said what he wanted to do. The leadership of the Soviet Union read this book. They did not think they were friends with Hitler.
The guy who spent his youth robbing banks to fund a revolution, succeeded, went on to beat the nazis, and helped lay the foundation for the greatest increase in standards of living in the modern age outside of China?
Even if you accept legitimate criticisms about the guy, such as interning/relocating populations in the wake of WWII, various loses the CPC took due to following his mandates, his failure to support Korea, etc, and understand him as a part of a greater machine accomplishing these things rather than the idealist “great man theory” nonsense that encourages hero worship in the first place, it’s hard not to idealize revolutionary heros like him and Fidel.
It should probably go to furry coders.
i would love for hexbear.net to have a single image of a cute furry bear, nothing would make me any happier than that event.
Hex bears ain’t got nothing on octal wolves
Sad but kinda hilarious. Lemmy.ca appears to have a better succession plan in place through the nonprofit organization…
Hexbear isn’t worth dogshit but if someone wants to waste their money, then i wont stop them
If I had the money I’d buy it and replace every post with goatse.
EDIT: wtf the insane asylum is loose. Halp
yes let’s sexually harass all those people depending on our mutual aid comm. you’re so righteous.
There are only two kinds of people on Lemmy.
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People who left Reddit to escape the verbal diarrhea that overwhelmed the site.
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People who left Reddit to spread that diarrhea.
sigh The @sh.itjust.works domain is full of the latter.
If “verbal diarrhea” is so commonplace on reddit, then it wouldn’t be necessary for people to leave Reddit in order to spread it, hmm?
Obviously your entire premise is sheer stupidity regardless, but I just want point out that even according to your own internal logic, it still doesn’t make any sense.
Fuck tha haters. You all do great work on the instance!
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Just social media posting your way to praxis? That’s a hell of a form of “mutual aid.”
what cowbee said, and you dorks trying to get the domain to redirect hexbear to sexually explicit or otherwise useless shit are just making it that much harder for the numerous palestinians, trans people, unhoused people, etc. who have come to rely on c/mutual_aid.
good to know that owning the “tankies” is more important to you dweebs than letting us continue to help them. i really hope you’re proud of yourselves.
I think anyone trying to buy the domain and redirect it as some kind of joke is dumb and I don’t support that.
But I’m curious how the vetting process works for c/mutual aid. How can you be sure that the money is going to people who actually need it, as opposed to people who are playing a part to garner your sympathy?
I’ve poked around hexbear from time to time and I remember a certain Palestinian family that was receiving fairly substantial aid. That appeared fairly legit to me, although it’s still extremely difficult to be sure.
But the people who need help with rent, or help paying their phone bill, or whatever random sob story they might come up with, I view with inherent suspicion.
Have you ever considered that it might be a much more efficient use of your resources to actually walk around wherever you live and give food and blankets directly to the unhoused? To volunteer at a local soup kitchen or homeless shelter?
Sending anonymous strangers money over the internet has a very large chance of going to the wrong people who are adept at manipulating others but not actually in the most need. It has a very large chance of funding self destructive behaviors of mentally ill people that ultimately drive the individual further into poverty and misery. Just something to think about.
For your point on trust, hexbear users mostly just have to trust that the user is acting in good faith as there isn’t really any way to properly verify if the person is telling the truth without forcing them to reveal personal, and potentially identifiable, information. And for your point on funding destructive behaviours, if we assume that this individual is telling the truth about their situation, then you aren’t funding their drug addiction by helping them pay rent or buy food.
That’s fair and I respect it, we need to have the courage to trust other people and I’m sure people have received much needed aid from that community.
But at the same time we have to recognize when a system is vulnerable to abuse, and consider ways to prevent that abuse from happening, or at least limit it. Sometimes, people aren’t going to tell the truth, and sometimes they may not know how to help themselves. It’s very hard to recognize those scenarios when your only context is an anonymous username on an internet forum.
The mutual_aid comm literally saved me from being homeless and losing my pet cats that I’ve had for 10 years.
It has a very large chance of funding self destructive behaviors of mentally ill people that ultimately drive the individual further into poverty and misery.
Fuck you Nancy Grace. “Don’t give that homeless man money! He’ll use it on drugs”
What’s the worse problem? Someone getting something ‘they don’t deserve’ or someone not getting something they need to live?
That’s great, good for you.
I think drugs are great, but they can be very harmful for people who are already mentally unstable. I deal with homeless people frequently, and in many cases, abusing drugs is a major problem for them and giving them money just perpetuates a self destructive cycle that eventually ends with them dying before their time.
Someone not getting something they need to live is the worse problem, which is why sending your charity off into the interwebs with hopes and prayers that it has a positive impact is a very naive and lazy way of doing things. You should be making sure that it helps those who are most desperate, and the only way to ensure that is to do your giving IRL.
My 3 favorite proposed alternative urls are tank.ie hexbearmoretankie.net and infinity.ai
If bean.is wasn’t so expensive it would win, full shot.
I enjoyed the community. Hope they find a new home.
They’re a bunch of Fascists disguised as Communists. Don’t understand why anyone would enjoy spending time in that shithole.
Maybe their username can give you an idea of why they enjoy the community more than western lib infested ones ;)
See this is what I mean. Constantly talking shit about liberals. You know who else does that? Fascists. You people don’t even try to hide it. I don’t even know why you pretend to be Communists. Nobody is falling for it. You’re embarrassing yourself. Grow up already
Constantly talking shit about liberals
Lol this has been a socialist past time since the dawn of socialism.
Constantly talking shit about liberals. You know who else does that? Fascists
Lol. Deeply unserious.
Because it’s a breath of fresh air away from an internet filled with people like you
Well then stop acting like Fascists and I’ll stop calling you such. You don’t even try to hide it. Constantly talking shit about liberals and leftists, like the little MAGA hats you are.
You supported a genocide.
Oh my god, shut the fuck up, you god damn hypocrite. A vote for 3rd party was a vote for Trump. You fucking morons can’t seem to grasp that fact. We’re in a TWO party system. I can’t stand it, but that’s the reality of the situation. It is IMPOSSIBLE for a 3rd party candidate to win an election under our current system. You HAVE to vote for the lesser evil; until our system changes, you have no choice.
How do you sleep at night, knowing that your worthless vote helped make the genocide worse?
You had to write a full paragraph of mental gymnastics
Because you literally voted for a genocide.
Fucking nazi.
helped make the genocide worse?
No, you were just a genocide denier until Trump was doing it
Well I’m impressed that just defederating from them was enough to basically kill the site.
What? That has nothing at all to do with the reason the domain expired. It has been in a predicament for a while, site admins lost contact with the owner of the domain name. This has been coming for some time.
I thought were defederated most of their existence though? I wonder what changed.
not everyone was, our instance held out as long as possible because were very pro free speech.
Nahh - further back, before they could even be defederated, they spent first years voluntarily isolating themselves from the larger fediverse. Just surprising is all, I was under the impression hexbear was very self sustaining.
Edit- looking like this wasn’t intentional, explains a lot.
Just add the following line to your host file and add an override to your DNS:
37.187.73.130 hexbear.netProblem solved, this is how we did it in 1985.
This won’t work in the fediverse. Sure you’ll be able to reach hexbear but no fediverse server would be able to federate content into it.
I prefer:
0.0.0.0 hexbear.net
It’s up to $1921 now lol
Went up by a thousand in 2 minutes if I’m reading it correctly.
I bid $1,000 on it. But that was my max. So out of my league now.
They’ve moved to chapo.chat.
How does anyone know that this is a fair auction. As much as the users may be hated or disliked, I still don’t believe in companies or corporations taking advantage of people like this to make a cheap buck.
Who’s to say that every bid in the auction is being artificially raised by a company rep and no matter what amount anyone comes up with, the owner will just keep raising it until they find a really high value.
Shitty situation all around and as much as they are not liked, I wouldn’t want anything like this happening to any honest instance out there.
I dont think anyone on hexbear is actually bidding on the auction. For one most users are poor and the consensus seems to be that any money that would go to cyberlandlords would be better served in the mutual_aid comm. Like if someone wants to spend money on hexbear, they should spend it on those that need it the most.
Thanks! Unlike a lot of Lemmy users, I have a soft spot for hexbears. I think they had a genuinely traumatic experience when they federated and their very personal instance was inundated with people who didn’t think and talk as they did. I’m glad they’re ok.
they had a genuinely traumatic experience
Jesus Christ, this is so ridiculous. They federated on their own accord, and from what I’ve seen very little non-hexbear users ever came to post on hexbear communitites. Seeing some new users in your online community who disagree with you isn’t fucking traumatic, in fact these people adore arguing and “dunking” on “libs”.
Dunking on other instances was literally the entire reason they federated in the first place. Their users were salivating at what they would do to lemmy.ca before we defed’d.
Their users wanted to defederate right away when they saw the rest of Lemmy. The people in charge (able to pull the switch) kept telling them to hold on and it’d get better. A small number of people made the decision for all of them. It’s all the rest for whom I genuinely feel bad. Their community was highjacked and, I think to them, attacked. I can have empathy for the average users.
Having seen how Hexbear interacted with other instances, I have zero empathy for them. They were an incredibly nasty group of people towards anyone who thought differently to them.
Seeing some new users in your online community who disagree with you
It takes so very little for liberals to take their masks off and start talking word-for-word exactly the same as incel nazis.
If you see anything that’s factually incorrect in my comment, please go ahead and point it out.
How about instead of puffing your chest out like an online incel douchebag asking me to cross a brand new line in the sand, you respond to what was already pointed out.
i.e. you being an incel nazi cosplayer and pulling the ‘just simply for disagreeing and nothing else’ bullshit you and every other incel nazi uses every time your behavior is called out
what was already pointed out.
Almost nothing has been pointed out. You said my comment resembles those of “incel nazis”. No actual explanation or concrete criticism, just aggressive vocabulary and vague accusations. Of course, you can’t provide anything more than that - had i actually given even a hint of support for nazi ideology, you’d easily point it out, rather than just calling out… my wording?
bullshit you and every other incel nazi uses every time your behavior is called out
What is this “my/our behaviour” that you’re talking about exactly?
I didn’t explicitly give verbal support to specific nazi parties (motte) I just said these snowflakes go running whenever some vague and nonspecific disagreement happens! (bailey)
You can’t criticize me for using the exact same rhetorical tools literal nazis use and in the exact same context! It’s just a coincidence! You have to follow my rules and satisfy my framing!
Ah, I saw a lot of people traumatized by their posting, but it is the first time I hear about the opposite.
Hexbear is the only place online I’ve found that I feel most comfortable speaking my mind as a neurodivergent queer communist. People act like hexbear is some harsh authoritarian zone, it just simply doesn’t condone chauvinism, transphobia, or let people post western propaganda without it being questioned. Some people react poorly to the way they are responded to on hexbear when they post some bullshit that we’ve heard and debunked 1000 times already.
They also made a habit of “raiding” other instances, and outright flooding any conversation they didn’t agree with with the most vile takes they could come up with, or, failing that, the pig shit Gif.
But yeah, they’re secretly caring people, sure.
They also made a habit of “raiding” other instances,
Lol, I love seeing the mythology of hexbear evolve in real time. I particularly like how you put “raiding” in inverted commas to make it seem like you’re quoting something, rather than just making it up whole cloth.
I mean, I saw it happen. You argue with one, and twenty others show up and just flood the thread.
But sure, keep lying to yourself about how your friends are secretly caring people or whatever.
Yes, that’s how federation works lol.
Their community reminds me of that one Something Awful subforum with the same style. I guess hexbear is just a younger demographic
The rest of the Fediverse should put together a GoFundMe to buy the domain, and stick up a page with links to donate drones to Ukrainian soldiers, and care packages to families of Uyghur muslims detained in concentration camps in China.
I’d rather people just fund their instances or the developers
Couldn’t somebody buy it and change it to force all the assholes out and then change things to make it a proper instance?
Idk how federation works, but I imagine the domain name isn’t the only thing that ties the instanses together together?
I could be wrong
nah they could, theyd just change it to their ip address, like the domain vendor deleted their ip address from the records when they didn’t pay
That’s not how the Fediverse works. Instances are per domain, not per IP address. You can change IPs however often you want, as long as your domain points to the right server.
It would still be a different instance behind that same domain name
That doesn’t matter to fediverse software. Any new instance on hexbear.net would have errors when trying to federate with other instances, and it probably wouldn’t be able to do so at all. But even if it did manage it, what are you expecting to do to mitigate the errors that arise from other instances referencing users/threads/posts/comments/communities/modlogs that existed on the old instance, but do not exist on the new one?
Karma
this, exactly. That the communism site is being sold to the highest bidder is karma, just like the oppressive action of capitalism driving escapism into communism is.
the raw reality is that neither pure communism nor pure capitalism will work. It’s like saying “top-down architecture is better than peer-to-peer architecture,” or vice-versa. it’s foolish. the right architecture depends on the situation being addressed.
What on Earth is “pure communism?” Or “pure Capitalism?”
Pure communism = A stateless, moneyless, classless society. Not simply whatever we’re doing to try to get there.
Pure capitalism = Anarcho-capitalism gives way to its final form, Arachno-capitalism.
I think the obsession with “purity” is just dogmatism, though. Systems are what they are, not some form of pure distilled ideology.
But that’s a part of the point I was making. They are ideological extremes, and don’t function in reality - both because of flaws in the ideology, and because of the fundamental difficulty of getting most ideologies to be universally accepted.
ideological purity can’t generally sustain itself, it must ultimately address external concepts (and actions).
Capitalism isn’t an ideological extreme, it isn’t an ideology to begin with. Moreover, it’s pretty clear you don’t really understand what Communism is in theory if you say it doesn’t function in reality, rather, it’s more of an analysis of societal progression.
I asked you because your point doesn’t make any sense to begin with, it’s very close to the “I’m 14 and this is deep” idea.
Nah. Capitalism may not, in the strictest, theoretical sense, be an ideology. But it is, in actuality, an ideology. It is not simply an economic system, but rather, a complex ideological web, including an entire set of beliefs and principles about what reasonable behavior actually is. It is, however, an ideology that has a logical and economic foundation - however flawed that foundation and its operational reality may be.
My understanding of communism is fine. Not believing in the ultimate efficacy of your preferred system doesn’t make me an idiot. But feel free to sling more mud, it makes you look great.
Pure communism or pure capitalism would be systems of societal organization that function as close to the respective ideals of communism or capitalism as possible.
I’m surprised that was unclear.
It’s unclear because it isn’t helpful. Just because something can be imagined doesn’t mean it would function in that manner. Capitalism doesn’t have ideals, liberalism would be the closest. Communism does, but applying it in reality and testing theory to practice is one of the major pillars.
Capitalism, as practiced by humans, absolutely has ideals and principles. they may be implicit, and they may be foolish and dangerous to enact, but it absolutely does.
Even the basic foundational logical arguments for capitalism are rife with assumption, and, ultimately, opinion.
Communism does, but applying it in reality and testing theory to practice is one of the major pillars.
Will you rephrase that?
Capitalism is a mode of production. There are ideologies that exist post-hoc to justify its existence, but these are not Capitalism itself as a mechanical process. There aren’t logical assumptions for its existence just like there aren’t logical assumptions for gravity, but there are explanations for them based on Human observation.
As for Communism, since it really traces all relevant interpretations to Marx, is closer to an analysis of Capitalism and a prediction for the future. Marx didn’t design Communism, he analyzed Capitalism’s trends and predicted, just like how Capitalism resolved the contradictions within feudalism, so too will Socialism and Communism resolve the contradictions within Capitalism. Marx’s idea of a “Stateless, Classless, Moneyless society” isn’t a blueprint he created, but a prediction of where humanity must eventually trend towards as industry gets increasingly complex and interconnected, and competition fades into cooperation.
I am not going to give you a lecture on Communism if you don’t want one, but the idea that “pure communism” means implementing Marx’s prediction of a future society now before industry even reaches the point where that makes any physical sense is an idea no Marxists hold outside of fringe dogmatists that reject Marx’s own analysis.
there is no real separation of an ideology from the framework that is it’s context, because that ideology is a response to and utilization of that framework, and the framework gives rise to the ideology. So, sure. One can argue (and it is commonly argued) that capitalism is not an ideology. And it is, in a technical sense, an economic system which has evolved over time. A “mode of production,” as it were.
But in reality, it is not merely an economic system, but rather, has all the trappings, prescriptions, and effects of an ideology - and, as with any ideology, a change in the foundation of that ideology leads to different behaviors, for better and worse. This is why I do not, in general, separate capitalism from the underlying perspectives that drive it. It is useful to see that they are linked, and directly impact each other - although, there’s definitely a time for dissection.
But also, we can very effectively sum the two (capitalism and communism) up as “privately held means of production” and “publicly held means of production” - and that “pure capitalism” would be a theoretical privately-held means of production without any interference from the state or other public entities, and that “pure communism” would be the (again, theoretical) inverse of that.
And, as I said, neither can exist effectively and functionally as an extreme. The more a system is on one of these extremes, the more susceptible it is to abuse (or, proper interference) by the other.
Weird, www.hexbear.net redirects to chapo.chat while hexbear.net doesn’t.
DNS caching at play. The registrar has pointed it to their own nameservers, and that gets cached in lots of places.
Ooooh. That explains it. Yeah, it just switched over to the redirect to sav.com for me.
I think they’re fucked. Because of how Lemmy does federation, there’s no way that I know of to switch the domain for an existing instance without changing the name and making everyone resubscribe to everything. Although, they probably talk mostly to one another so they could probably change the name to hexbear.social or something with just a little temporary disruption if they don’t feel like coming up with $300. Personally, I definitely wouldn’t want to cooperate with the domain extortion, I’d rather change domains.
Yep. Servers save federation keys per domain name. Not that they were really federated with most big instances anymore anyway.
I’m not up to date with my Hexbear knowledge, is hexbear dead?
Hexbear (edit:
is very much alive) was very much alive until my cached DNS values dropped out, and now they’re dead. Looks like they’re fucked.It looks to me like sav.com is some kind of domain name scammer. They trick people into registering their domains with them by offering low prices, and then some time later once you’ve come to depend on the domain, proceed to some kind of abusive process like this where they’ll let totally separate people (allegedly-real separate people) “bid” on your domain, and force you to pay whatever exceeds the highest bid, if you want to keep control of it. I honestly don’t know how it is allowed.
It looks to me like Hexbear got suckered into registering with them, displaying the same savvy critical thinking skills that serve them so well in so many other areas. I don’t think the domain expires until a year from now? Am I misunderstanding, or is sav.com just getting the jump on extorting some money from Hexbear? I realize it would be funny to jump in and bid the price up, but be aware that (1) you are giving money to some genuinely godawful people, quite a bit worse than just a bunch of confused aggressive pro-left people, if you win (2) you won’t even get your entertainment until a year from now, unless I am misunderstanding something.
Edit: If anyone’s curious, Hostinger has extremely cheap domain registrations: https://www.hostinger.com/domain-name-search
They also have an endearingly janky AI assistant that likes to pop up the most hilariously wrong AI descriptions of whatever domain you are registering, for no reason at all. It goes with the rest of their endearingly janky hosting service. I honestly don’t mind it, I like them.
Edit: Guys, I am sad to report that they fixed the AI assistant. It now (still for no reason) displays back to you a summary of what you want to use your domain for, but they’ve fixed the AI involved so that it no longer gives suggestions that are hilariously wrong. It’s just accurate and boring. I wish I had saved some of the ones it showed me way back when they first introduced it, because they were wonderful.
Wait, what??? Isn’t this a hugely active instance? What happened?
https://lemmy.ca/comment/14489378
Apparently they didn’t pay for their registration renewal. Watch out for a flood of displaced tankies, you can usually find them by saying fuck Putin, or fuck Xinnie the pooh, and they’ll just put themselves so you can block them.
Paid registration renewal is inherently capitalist, you deranged westoid.
spoiler
How’d I do?
you forgot to add at least 26 weirdly sized gifs and emojis
And also forgot to yell at them for not reading all 780 pages of theory before commenting.
Not that bad tbh I believed it for a sec
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7/10. Close in spirit, but not cringe enough. And you didn’t follow it with an image reaction.
or just look for their obnoxious emojis, which are full color photos of some gross asshole.
Im honestly annoyed by this as I have over 30 communities on hexbear blocked. id really not like to have to do it again
Good news - you can block entire instances on current Lemmy. No need to go community by community.
Bad news - it does nothing about the users. You’ll still see their comments and posts elsewhere.
