I don’t see any country being able to engineer coups by supporting terrorists as effectively as the US, so I don’t see Russia or other local powers replacing the US’s influence in countries where the left presents a meaningful alternative to neoliberalism.

Cheap energy, labor, and resources and a slightly greater degree of independence from America.

This was always Ukraine’s fate.

The OG coup happened under the Obama admin, the far-right were forced into government under Trump pt I, Ukraine was forced to sell off state assets and take billions in loans by the Biden admin, and now the US is preparing to pick the bones clean over the next decades.

It’s nice that yall are recognizing that the US isn’t there to help the Ukrainian people now, but we’re all gonna repeat this next war.

The Mujaheddin did need help, they needed weapons, bombs, intelligence, diplomatic support, booby traps specifically procured by the CIA. The US provided it.

And then back home, they used their contacts in the media to make sure everyone knew that the Mujaheddin were the good guys worthy of America’s support, even if they were not officially receiving it. Americans, Mujaheddin, and Soviets all understood the US supported the Mujaheddin, even if there was a layer of plausible deniability. It’s why the Soviets asked the US to stop the attacks on Soviet soldiers during the pullout and not Pakistan.

The american people were told to see the Mujaheddin as their ally, and the Mujaheddin understood it was the US supporting them.

The CIA using the ISI to transport some weapons and train soldiers isn’t “this ISI did everything therefore the Mujahedin weren’t supported by the US”, it’s “the ISI were a tool of the CIA”, the operation was run out of Washington. It had US media providing glowing coverage of the Mujahedin as they committed war crimes.

Eh, while they’re part of maintaining the status quo, we’re ruled by capital, and that was true before Kennedy too.

What are they supposed to do? Tell their audience to run into the woods and start a protracted people’s war? Get in non-productive arguments with even less-informed chatters?

Referring to another nationality as animals is dehumanizing in contexts like this.

That’s not how Operation Cyclone worked. You can just read the wikipedia article, there’s several books on the subject, but honestly Blowback Season 4 is pretty good coverage. Episode 3 specifically deals with who at the CIA interfaced with the afghans and how.

It also includes the methods the US promoted the mujahedin as freedom fighters to the US before ultimately turning on them, which is what the meme is about.

Sure, and Russia had their right-wing coup in 1991, and America is currently doing a self-coup.

See, I can’t tell if you’re talking about America, Russia, or Ukraine.

Ukraine was always getting stripped of its resources and immiserated; the IMF loan required them to privatize and sell off their ports, power grids, factories, schools, etc for pennies.

Between 2003 and 2011, the CIA even captured and handed over enemies from all over the world, along with providing intelligence about dissidents within Libya.

As far as OBL goes, the US armed and trained his faction against the soviets during the soviet-afghan war.

Qadaffi kinda was between ~2003 and 2011. The CIA even captured and handed over enemies from all over the world, along with providing intelligence about dissidents within Libya.

As others said, the topic is likely to come up, I am trying to prepare OP to have a respectful discussion instead of going in as some “debate me” redditor who thinks he can change an expert’s mind armed with cable news and wikipedia.

Do you really think you’d be prepared to debate someone who has direct access to primary sources and has been paying close attention to those issues due to literally living there for much longer than you? The fact that you thought you’d debate them instead of learn says enough.

The guy who spent his youth robbing banks to fund a revolution, succeeded, went on to beat the nazis, and helped lay the foundation for the greatest increase in standards of living in the modern age outside of China?

Even if you accept legitimate criticisms about the guy, such as interning/relocating populations in the wake of WWII, various loses the CPC took due to following his mandates, his failure to support Korea, etc, and understand him as a part of a greater machine accomplishing these things rather than the idealist “great man theory” nonsense that encourages hero worship in the first place, it’s hard not to idealize revolutionary heros like him and Fidel.

I don’t recognize your username. Why would anyone have an opinion on you?