Plenty of Afghan goat farmers have been around since ATnT Unix was a thing, this doesn’t mean they know anything about Unix.

You’ve made a lot of factual errors showing that you don’t know what you’re talking about, you also haven’t specified even once which specific period hides under “that time” in your claims.

You’ve claimed that Minix ever was a popular system, you’ve claimed that “BSD” is some alternative to Unix separate from it while it’s simply Berkeley Unix that dropped the Unix trademark due to litigation.

Solaris, HP/UX, Irix are Unix System V, which was sort of a merger of ATnT Unix and BSD.

So BSDs are literally just Unix (Unix of Theseus so to say, code from BSD that moved to commercial Unix remained there, but code from ATnT remaining in BSD had to be rewritten after the lawsuits, I’ve read it wasn’t much).

Bill Joy of Sun Microsystems is also one of the main people behind BSD.

Also throwing insults doesn’t make you more persuasive, when you are not even close to knowing the subject. I’m trying to help you, but I don’t want to spend more effort.

I’ve hanged dog waste bags onto such signs a couple times when angry (filled).

see I said UNIX was still being used at that time OVER *BSD.

You seem to think Unix is one system. You also seem to think *BSDs are not a branch of Unix.

You don’t seem to learn.

How old are you and what’s your intention in behaving this way? Just interested.

Signal as in those folks whose desktop client for Linux is on electronjs.

I don’t want to continue this useless conflict, your comments read as if chatgpt wrote them.

Just a few bits to help you:

UNIX and other systems like MINIX and the ones you mentioned were so much more popular than *BSD ever was.

UNIX obviously was more popular than specifically BSD UNIX, but you don’t seem to understand that one is a subset of the other. You might want to read of “Unix wars” and how BSD UNIX became just BSD and then a bunch of *BSDs.

Minix was an education kit.

No one wants to use non-free hardware support, troll.

You are, in fact, using mostly non-free firmware, as in “binary blobs”, for a lot of your hardware to function under Linux.

It has zero advantages over Linux and so many disadvantages.

You keep writing such sentences about four distinct operating systems, each with its own advantages and disadvantages.

Don’t make me laugh about *BSD’s “design decisions”, ones that basically create a system that is much more difficult to work with because it has a much more simplistic base than the much more robust Linux ecosystem.

This sentence means nothing.

If Google, Microsoft, Apple, or Meta were caught using GPL against its license, they’d be sued to oblivion and they know it. That’s why they don’t. If you think GPL is unenforceable, you are a fool.

I said it’s enforceable and they are still using it just as “responsibly” and they do with BSD, MIT, ISC licenses, which is the point.

OK, done

Oh. My bad. Then interesting, something RSX-level on a little deck, with a something-commander and a snake game. Fun like it’s 1983.

You mean the entire fucking world where *BSD is basically dead and Linux is fucking everywhere? Yeah… sure, buddy.

This is not a valid argument and also you are quite ignorant of what’s everywhere and what is dead.

*BSD has always been a poor alternative to Linux

The other way around technically, one came before the other and was a more mature system, with ongoing lawsuits however.

Also SunOS 4 and Ultrix are BSD, if you didn’t know. Commercial high-end OSes before Linux even started. About “poor alternatives”.

because of design decisions,

You don’t know what you’re talking about, anything but this argument. BSDs’ design decisions allow them to solve the same problems orders of magnitude cheaper (in human effort) than Linux. That’s how they still survive.

Under FreeBSD there are GEOM, netgraph, properly working ZFS since long ago, proper separation of base system and packages, the ports system, Linux emulation for legacy software, all orderly and clean. Under Linux the horrible mess starts with Debian netinstall.

By the way, you don’t even know your own team, Eric S. Raymond of the “cathedral vs bazaar” glory notoriously disagreed with you, despite the comparison being supposed to put Linux on top. His point was that if you allow thousands of monkey developers, they might not do things so well, but they’ll do so much more that it’s justified, and thus Linux wins due to having shittier architecture, but developing faster.

poor hardware support,

Go use Windows then, it has almost perfect hardware support.

and a garbage license that allows non-free software to “steal” (take) and use your code irresponsibly.

So Google uses GPL code responsibly, right? Microsoft? Apple? Meta?

This argument is obsolete.

I dunno where the circus is, but the clowns are already here.

Something insulted you in my comment or you feel the urge to take sides in things you most likely haven’t compared? Linux is a mess compared to BSDs. Anyone who used them all can confirm this.

If it runs modern Linux, there’s enough bloat even compared to Windows 2000.

COMMENT: further I’ve completely forgot what you were saying, so wrote a very loosely connected text.

I agree in dreams, but in truth no piece of tech will change life. Life changes tech. Today’s tech environment wouldn’t happen were social environment different.

If we want to make computing better, we need to be able to live without computing.

To make downtime acceptable. Same as with repairing floors in a hoarder’s apartment, you need to remove all the furniture and junk first. So you (being the hoarder) need to be able to live just fine without what’s in that room for a few weeks (I know ideally the process takes much less time).

The reason Facebook and others are so powerful and competition doesn’t work is because many people can’t live without what they rely upon as utilities.

And the “users mustn’t think, users mustn’t overcome themselves” mantra is commercial bullshit. Users are humans and are responsible for themselves. We can help them become more responsible. We can’t pretend humans are not responsible.

Because ultimately only humans exist and tools are tools.

All these people - they don’t learn.

For microblogs NOSTR is already better than everything else, right now. Provided you don’t care much about keeping the same identity over years, cause an identity is a pubkey there, used directly (no temporary identities signed by it or something), so with more popularity those will be lost again and again.

I don’t use microblogs, just it seems to have that functionality functioning perfectly and in distributed fashion.

If you don’t like cryptobros there (less and less dominant over time btw), then BlueSky might raise even bigger suspicions.

Pitchforks out, ma-arch

There are also some inconsistencies in your story.

Because they were marching under the table at that age, not paying attention to tech.

From my experience living in developing countries, work type use cases do not use iPhones. If anything in developing countries an iPhone is exclusively a status symbol.

Yes, and of a particular kind of people, relatives of corrupt bureaucrats and their friends usually. People with money and wish to show off still usually have a good Android device.

Those apps have gotten hundreds of millions of people out of poverty in India and China who are doing e-commerce and opening small businesses from their phones. That’s food on the table for the working class. They can earn money while looking after their children because they’re not chained to a desktop computer for internet access.

I’m not sure if you’ve seen it or it’s a picture similar to what OLPC founder would describe to investors.

People in remote areas can know instantly about natural disasters and the news, educating them and making them active citizens in a democracy.

Now we learn that Apple invented radio.

People across the world can chat with each other for nearly free using messaging and social media apps, and won’t have to send letters or pay extra fees for long-distance calls. The iPhone got more people onto what formerly only Blackberry-owning business executive had.

Apple also did not invent the Internet, or instant messaging, or social media, or ability to use them on a portable device. And I wonder how old you are, ignoring all PDAs other than Apple and Blackberry in that time.

It’s such a first world thing to belittle the impact of smartphone (an industry which the iPhone shaped tremendously), when it has so much tangible impact, especially to working people.

This really reads like, I repeat, what OLPC founder would tell to investors. A first world thing.

There’s an opinion that sometimes it works - “people were weak and strong, comrade Colt made them equal”.

How has the iPhone contributed to empowerment and liberty?

There was a fledgling industry of PDAs, a bit too expensive, but usually with a functional and accessible OS.

There was an established industry of mobile phones, limited by their price expected to be (by iPhone measure) low, but fitting better and better functionality and ingenuity into that limit.

iPhone was an ugly, tasteless thing from the latter at the price of the former.

By the way, people say Steve Jobs was a jerk, that he treated his biological child worse than those able to smell him, that he believed in unscientific medicine which slowly killed him.

But he did have a vision, just not much further than it. Steve Jobs’ ideas were all one-time shockers. In the following generations of products those shouldn’t have been cleansed with fire, but the idea of him being some prophet generating good paradigms is wrong, actually it’s the opposite, his ideas are paradigm-agnostic, it’s clear form over function. It’s fine to salt product lines built around good paradigms with his design ideas, but not allowing them to prevail.

A lot of clueless normies still think a touchscreen slab is a good idea because a physical keyboard and a stylus cost something, ignoring that their touchscreen slabs usually cost a lot more than mobile phones and even kinda good PDAs did cost, with physical everything. I’m not even talking that time and effort to perform an action are a cost that accumulates every day, it may be hard to convert into any currency, but if you do, you’ll weep over all those moments of trying to do something with taps and gestures instead of a few keypresses.

No, a touchscreen slab was Jobs’ shocker to sell stuff! It worked, and it also helped Apple financially, so they went on with it. Pure business. Even if Jobs were a prophet, he’s a different kind of prophet, not usability prophet, but shockers prophet.

OK, it’s graphomania I think.

Point being - iPhone contributed in the opposite direction. Made those things expensive enough to be harder to replace or alternate, more tailored for consumption and two-button apps, and a thing of fashion in the wrong sense.

And I don’t think he gives a shit about anything beyond his financial position and maintaining his social status and legion of fanboys.

That’s why he’s saying such things, it’s a certain tired (Salvador Dali style) way of appearing a cultured person.

Linux is as messy and more as the apartment where I live (really bad).

If you want the operating system to make sense, use OpenBSD (no Wine, no Linux emulation, thus only native games) or NetBSD (there is Wine and Linux emulation, but limited) or FreeBSD (generally can do the same as Linux), but all three port graphics drivers from Linux with significant lag, and hardware support is worse in general.

And Microsoft facilitates fascism

There’s a lot of Linux in systems that governments and militaries use.

Throw away your phone,

Yes, right. Also change job so that an Android device for 2FA weren’t a requirement. And get used that I can’t communicate with someone over TG/WA/VK in transport.

And still be surveilled, because the information you give about yourself without an Android phone is sufficient, carrying one is a symbolic decapitation of your privacy and dignity, “symbolic” is the word.

Then you could agree with any barely computer-savvy person that such things should be killed with fire.

Now a lot of very competent person will try to persuade you how you are a luddite and wrong, except 5-10 years ago they’d also promise some bright tech future in addition to that, and now you’re just wrong because they can exist in that environment and like it, and you can’t.

a) You’ve never run a business

They might have run a small business or been present in a bigger one in management position, doing their own job well enough to avoid painful understanding they don’t get it as a whole. Arrogance is not always cured by experience, actually I doubt it’s ever cured in humans and we all have it.

b) you’re more interested in fantasizing than a realistic conversation.

That much was clear from the very beginning, I tend to have such ideas too, but I have BAD and thus mania periods.

how to process payments? how to ship goods? how to handle refunds? how to handle contestations?

The problems are solvable, but the solutions taken together are couple times as complex as Amazon itself. This translates to cost. Which is naturally the reason Amazon came to existence earlier than that solution.

I think that layers of storage\messages and actual logic should be firmly separated, an instance going down when someone wants a refund for an operation that involved it seems not good enough. If the operation is a cryptographic contract with an escrow, and “instances” are just servers providing message storage probably privileged for some users (might be members of a community, might pay for that storage, that’s lower layer anyway), this is less of a problem. But that’s not a federation.

By the way, however I dislike OP’s attitude, if you suggest this idea like a federated ads and reviews platform, it becomes useful.

Since this was another round of no additional input, I’ll repeat myself too:

I don’t think so. I also can imagine you moved on to ethical business and suggesting ideas because you had personality conflicts where people actually do something.

Sorry if my tone will be less gentle than needed.

Your comment brings no ounce of new ideas or criticisms to the table,

I don’t think so.

overlooks all the pros and cons already mentioned

It makes sense that others look at different parts of the problem than you do.

I run businesses for 15 years, do ethical business since 10 yrs and am thinking from a position of experience.

Most people have (or recently enough had and will have) a job, and most people know a person or two with 10-15 years of experience in management positions who think they are thinking from a position of experience.

Different professions and job responsibilities exist for a reason.

The reason I dont present myself in a way that screams competence is because this is lemmy and we dont need this stuff.

You did it here instead of continuing a pretty normal thread or leaving it be.

I like spitballing ideas and push new projects for the benefit of the people.

That is important, but almost everyone has been spitballing ideas and pushing new projects since they learned to speak.

But feel free to suggest constructive things.

Quoting myself:

Getting back to logistics - one has to design a system of shared warehouses, transportation, mailing and delivery tasks, tracking, reporting on outcomes of every event, and all that should be even more abuse-resilient than the processes inside actual Amazon. You’ll have Byzantine problems in every interaction.

“Shared” is the important part. Even without that one can fail logistics - see USSR, the biggest corporation to fail in history.