I know what the Creative Commons is but not this new thing or why it keeps popping up in comments on Lemmy
Because people don’t understand how copyright works.
In most countries any copyrightable work that you produce is automatically covered by copyright. You don’t need to do anything additional to gain that protection.
Most Lemmy instances don’t have any sort of licensing grant in their terms of service. So that means that the original author maintains all ownership of their work.
So technically what these people are doing is granting a license to their comment that allows it to be used for more than would otherwise be allowed by the default copyright protections.
What they are probably trying to accomplish is to revoke the ability for commercial enterprises to use their comments. However that is already the default state so it is pretty irrelevant. Basically any company that cares about copyright and thinks that what they are doing isn’t allowed as fair use already wouldn’t be able to use their comments without the license note. So by adding the license note all they are doing is allowing non-commercial AI to scrape it (which is probably not what was intended). Of course most AI scraping companies don’t care about copyright or think that their use is not protected under copyright. So it is again irrelevant.
Ding ding ding. It’s basically the equivalent of that “I don’t give Facebook permission to use my statuses, pictures, etc for commercial purposes…” chain letter that boomers love to post. It has enough fancy legalese and sounds juuuust plausible enough that it’ll get anyone who doesn’t already understand the law.
It reads like a sovcit claim.
It’s basically the equivalent of that “I don’t give Facebook permission to use my
Don’t you guys get tired of repeating yourself?
Ohhh come on now, you’ve got too see the irony here. Don’t you get tired of repeatedly adding that license? No, of course not. You just like the attention, it’s okay lol I won’t tell anyone your secret ;)
Don’t you get tired of repeatedly adding that license?
I’d prefer if Lemmy had a signature field as part of the account, so I could put it there once and forget about it, yes.
But otherwise it’s a long press copy, and a long press paste, and I’m done. It’s not rocket science.
No, of course not. You just like the attention, it’s okay lol I won’t tell anyone your secret ;)
No human being on this planet would want to be constantly harassed by, and having to defend themselves from, astroturfers/bots who are trying to prevent other people from jumping on the bandwagon of protecting their content by licensing it explicitly.
It’s a pain in the ass speaking with people like you, especially the when they think that they’re ‘Winning!’ with their assumed snappy replies.
I’ll be explicit, again. Leave me the f alone about my using of a license! If you don’t like seeing the license as part of my comments, FEEL FREE TO BLOCK ME. The repetitiveness is becoming harassment.
protecting their content by licensing it explicitly.
You can do whatever you want, of course. But any license you put on your content here protects it less than not putting any license at all. That’s after all what licenses are for, granting people use of your content.
So you’re not so much protecting your comments, but graciously allowing them to be used for training for non-commercial purposes, where most people are greedily keeping them to themselves. I suppose that’s admirable.
So you’re not so much protecting your comments, but graciously allowing them to be used for training for non-commercial purposes, where most people are greedily keeping them to themselves. I suppose that’s admirable.
You’re not telling me anything that I don’t already know.
I have no problem for my content being used for open-source reasons. Commercial reasons without compensation is another matter.
So by adding the license note all they are doing is allowing non-commercial AI to scrape it (which is probably not what was intended).
I have no problem with non-commercial scraping. It’s commercial scraping that doesn’t compensate me for my content that I have a problem with.
Ok. So you should probably frame your license like that. Instead of saying “Anti Commercial-AI license” say “Pro Non-commercial-AI license”.
So you should probably frame your license like that. Instead of saying “Anti Commercial-AI license” say “Pro Non-commercial-AI license”.
I don’t think you need to get hung up on a sentence describing what my purpose was for including the license in my comment.
It’s meaningless bullshit if they think the AI companies give a shit about copyright
Even moreso: When you post online you typically give the website a license to distribute the content in the terms and conditions. That’s all the license they need, it doesn’t matter what you say in the comments.
Yeah just adding a link to your comment doesn’t negate the TOS of where you post it.
Yeah just adding a link to your comment doesn’t negate the TOS of where you post it.
Is that in Lemmy World’s terms though?
Edit: Wow, you went back later and added that link to the YouTube video. So weird how people get trigged by this. /shakeshead
Even moreso: When you post online you typically give the website a license to distribute the content in the terms and conditions. That’s all the license they need, it doesn’t matter what you say in the comments.
Is that in Lemmy World’s terms?
I should add that there is one approach that could be taken here. Take this with a huge grain of salt because I am not a lawyer.
When you are posting on Lemmy you are likely granting an implicit license to Lemmy server operators to distribute your work. Basically because you understand that posting a public comment on Lemmy will make it available on your and other Lemmy servers it is assumed that it is ok to do that.
In other words you can’t write a story, post it on Lemmy, then sue every Lemmy instance that federated the comment and made it publicly available. That would be ridiculous.
There is a possible legal argument that twists this implicit grant to include AI training. Maybe you could have a disclaimer that this wasn’t the case. I don’t know how you would need to word this and if it would actually change anything. But I would talk to a lawyer.
In other words you can’t write a story, post it on Lemmy, then sue every Lemmy instance that federated the comment and made it publicly available. That would be ridiculous.
I don’t see how what you’ve described is matching the situation of attaching a license to your own content/comment. Seems like a non-sequitur to me.
Take this with a huge grain of salt because I am not a lawyer.
Might not be best to try and give legal advice off of a hypothetical, if you are not a lawyer. Especially in a conversation that is already contested/heated.
I dislike it but merely because it normalizes having to sign content with an anti commercialization license to refuse to have your data harvested. Contributing to AI should be opt-in.
I dislike it but merely because it normalizes having to sign content with an anti commercialization license to refuse to have your data harvested. Contributing to AI should be opt-in.
Please let your House Representative know that.
Congress may (and probably will, one way or another) change that in the nearish future. But until then, you protect your content in the legal ways that you can.
I too would prefer not having to add the license/link to each of my comments. If Lemmy.World added a ‘signature’ field to an account, I could just put it there once and be done with it.
You don’t need to license each of your comments. By default you retain all ownership. So you applying a license is strictly allowing more use. Basically if AI training was not allowed due to copyright than they can’t use any comment by default. If AI training is fair-use (which seems to be most companies’ claim) then it is irrelevant how you have licensed the comment.
In no situation does granting an additional license to a work restrict the ways in which works can be used under other licenses.
You don’t need to license each of your comments. By default you retain all ownership. So you applying a license is strictly allowing more use.
Or different use. I like to be explicit with how my content is to be used.
No, it is more. You aren’t restricting anything, it is just a superset of uses. If you want to explicitly license your comments for wider use that is fine, but don’t misrepresent it as “Anti Commercial-AI”. Just frame it as licensed for non-commercial use.
No, it is more. You aren’t restricting anything, it is just a superset of uses. If you want to explicitly license your comments for wider use that is fine,
There are restrictions included in that license, you’re incorrect in that.
But my point, which you are ignoring, is that when someone includes a license it doesn’t have to be for more restrictive nature, or for more open one, but just different from the default if the content was not explicitly notated with a licensed.
but don’t misrepresent it as “Anti Commercial-AI”. Just frame it as licensed for non-commercial use.
I’m not misrepresenting anything, you’re the one getting overly hung up on that short layman’s sentence which describes my purpose for including the license in the comment.
The actual representation of the license it’s included to the right of that sentence.
I’m pretty sure we’re not going to agree on this, you really weirdly seem hung up on this, and I’m not agreeing with your opinion on the matter, so let’s move on from this point.
My simple understanding of the idea is it forces AI companies to have to avoid taking those comments. If they did, they would need to provide attribution to the sources etc.
Time will tell if it works
The CC requires copyright holders to contact companies that violate the license and give them 30 days to remediate.
I highly doubt:
- people who put the CC-BY-NC license in their comment will troll AI bots to see if their specific comments are being used
- those same people can prove to the company that their comment was used
- the company will actually take them at their word and remove their comments from their training data
- even if all of the above are true, can afford an attorney let alone sustain that attorney through the case
- even if all of the above are true, prevail in a court of law
I think people adding the license is fine. It’s your comment. Do whatever. I don’t think it’s as harmful as sovereign citizens using their own license plate for “traveling”.
I’m retired, and have money, so you never know. 😇
Plus also, it’s also about future legislation, and putting a stake in the ground now. As it is, corporations are fighting each other over their content being used freely to program other corporations AI models, so I’m expecting a lot of lobbying money flying around in Washington just about now.
And finally, just because enforcement might be difficult, doesn’t mean a license can’t still be used.
If they even notice it, they will say that the website TOS is the relevant license.
Eirher way, they will just go ahead and use it. None of us have the resources or perseverance to prove anything and take them to court in a meaningful way.
If they even notice it, they will say that the website TOS is the relevant license.
Does Lemmy World’s TOS state that I do not own the content that I upload to their site?
It says nothing, so you have copyright on it.
Adding a restrictive license to it only means as much as you’re willing and able to police it yourself and take others to court and argue that they can not assume the same freedom of use of your comments that they can with the rest of the site.
As an individual, for comments of two sentences each, this is not an option.
As an individual, for comments of two sentences each, this is not an option.
My content is usually more than a sentence or two.
Also, it puts a stake in the ground for any future enforcement done by others than myself if laws change.
Its a low-hanging-fruit way of protecting my content. If it works, great, and if it doesn’t, then I’ll vote for someone else for Congress the next time.
I’ve wasted more time replying on this single conversation/post than I have copy/pasting the link in all of my comments so far.
My simple understanding of the idea is it forces AI companies to have to avoid taking those comments. If they did, they would need to provide attribution to the sources etc.
Time will tell if it works
That’s my understanding as well.
And yes, I can’t force them to be legal and to honor the license, but I can do my part, and hope those who are coding over on their side are open source minded, and are willing to honor the license.
Generally speaking, just because someone else may break the law doesn’t mean I can’t use the law to try to protect myself.
On a tangent subject, why does everyone push back so forcefully, why do they care so incredibly, why do they enforce group think on you, just for including a link for an open source license in your comments?
I truly don’t get the level of fevor, especially when they could just block the user if they don’t want to see the license link.
But even more so, why does it trigger people so, why just having that link brings out the worse in people?
Are people trying to format the Internet so they see it exactly how they personally want to see it?
I truly don’t understand why we’re wasting so much time discussing this.
Is it really just the AI modeling companies that are forcefully trying to keep this from becoming a thing, by astroturfing, because then they really would have to start honoring the license if everyone did it, and if they get caught not doing so fearing the political/marketing and legal ramifications of such?
Because you are effectively spreading misinformation.
Your behaviour leads people to believe that in order for their comments not to be used for commercial AI training they need to have a signature. But that isn’t true, at most the signature is allowing more uses of your comment, not restricting anything.
People already struggle to understand copyright. Adding more confusion is doing everyone reading your license a disservice.
Because you are effectively spreading misinformation.
Are you a lawyer?
People already struggle to understand copyright. Adding more confusion is doing everyone reading your license a disservice.
Including a link to a Creative Commons license in a comment footer will not do that.
Are you a lawyer?
I am not. Are you?
Including a link to a Creative Commons license in a comment footer will not do that.
It is when you give it a different name which doesn’t reflect the actual behaviour of the license.
It is when you give it a different name
That’s not a different name. It’s a sentence that’s a layman’s description of my intention for including it.
Initially I was just using the actual Creative Commons license name, but it was confusing people just seeing letters and numbers.
which doesn’t reflect the actual behaviour of the license.
[Citation required.]
Because it’s stupid and pointless, and I will assume that anyone who adds it to their comments is as well.
To clarify, I’m not anti-open source license. I’m also not anti-tin foil hats. Please feel free to wear them if you want. I completely support your right to do so, but it’s also my right to judge you and laugh behind your back.
Because it’s stupid and pointless, and I will assume that anyone who adds it to their comments is as well.
To clarify, I’m not anti-open source license. I’m also not anti-tin foil hats. Please feel free to wear them if you want. I completely support your right to do so, but it’s also my right to judge you and laugh behind your back.
Look at your response to me, its rude, in a ‘killing the messenger’ sort of way. Why not just let it go by without attacking someone to their (virtual) face (not ‘behind’) for doing it?
Why does it trigger you so? Its just a link.
I thought Lemmy was supposed to be better than Reddit.
Sorry, I was actually trying to be as polite as possible, and despite what you might think, I don’t care. At all. Not enough to downvote your comments, nor enough to comment about it in another unrelated conversation.
You asked a question and I thought you honestly wanted an answer as to why you got so much hate for it.
I like to use emojis. Some people don’t respect that, and they have every right to think less of me because of it. It doesn’t mean that I’m anything that they think I am, and I can choose whether or not I care about what they think. I can stop using emojis to appease them, or I can 🤷🏻♂️🖕🏻😂.
Sorry, I was actually trying to be as polite as possible
Going to call b.s. on that.
and despite what you might think, I don’t care.
And yet, you went out of your way to reply in a rude and antagonistic way.
A personal request, based on this subject.
I would very much like to not be astroturfed/brigaded every 18 to 24 hours because I’m licensing my comments.
Usually the first comment is someone asking me why I’m using a license, then the second comment replying to the first comment is someone else chastising my intelligence and my usage of the license and saying I don’t know what I’m doing, and then explaining the completely wrong terms why I’m licensing it, and then the first person from the first comment replies with the third comment saying how dumb or silly or funny I am for doing that, rinse / repeat.
(A funny aside, the pattern I described above, the third comment was identical text, with days separating the two occurrences, and then later on someone went back and changed the third comment on the second most recent occurrence to be worded slightly different, after the fact.)
Another one is I get someone who goes on very very long diatribes asserting law and legalities (even though when I ask them if they are a lawyer they never answer, or they say no), using many paragraphed comments to tell me in every way why I’m wrong, but then finishing their diatribe off with how they really don’t care about the subject, but are just giving a friendly explanation to me why I’m getting downvoted, when I didn’t ask, and when voting wasn’t even being discussed.
And finally, the 10-15ish downvotes on every comment I’m making. (The one that really made me laugh was the one where I reply with one word, “Thanks”.)
Just leave me the f alone. If you don’t like seeing my comments with a license link, feel free to block me.
It’s really becoming harassment at this point.
Thank you for reading.
This is following me around to different communities …
Hey look at that, ProPublica posted an article here on Lemmy and they included a Creative Commons license at the top of their post as well.
And here’s why they do and how you can too …
https://www.propublica.org/article/how-you-or-your-newsroom-can-republish-propublicas-stories-515
https://www.propublica.org/nerds/happy-birthday-creative-commons
