I fled Reddit due to the authoritarian mod craziness, but Lemmy.world seems infested with too much Communist craziness. I’m leftist, but communism is idiocy. Is there an instance that leans more democratic socialist but refrains from going off the deep end?
I’m also looking for a place without edgy or crazy people.
For me its:
Democratic: yes
Socialism/social net/sharing/helping: yes
Dictatorial: no
Tankie: no
Undemocratic: no
China or CCCP/URSS worship: no
Soviet whitewashing: no
That’s about it.
Edit: I was looking for a community not an instance (I have my own but I still uses .world as I had some trouble, time to migrate back home I guess :-) ) but thanks for all helpful comments!
You could replace the socialism with communism and it would be the perfect party.
We need democratic communists. Too many of these so-called “communists” are just bad faith actors who ignore Karl Marx’s teachings, worship dictatorships and play dirty.
Democratic Socialists are the next best option at the moment.
Isn’t communism based on revolution though? (PS. It’s not I who downvoted you, quite childish I think to do so).
Revolution can come in many forms taxing the rich, siding with the workers in court, ending the exploitative businesses practices, starting up more crown corporations, making all elections completely publicly funded, legislating a path for businesses to be owned by the workers while using the independent courts to facilitate this, directing the transfer of wealth to the everyday people, increasing the funding for CBC.
I love everything you say (I don’t know what CBC is though) but the communist revolution is not that, it’s a bloodbath where workers take the power. Does it have to be a bloodbath? It seems so in a communist uprising because the power in place will not budge otherwise.
So I’m much more on your line, but without calling it the name communism.
She’s talking about reformism as though it is revolution, and is using revolution as a term for “system change.” I won’t say that’s linguistically wrong, but among Marxists that strategy is called reformism, and is generally seen as strategically futile by Marxists since Marx himself. Revolution, in the Marxian strain, looks like the Paris Commune, Russian Revolution, Cuban, Vietnamese, Chinese, etc. as all of the strategies she is espousing are seen as impossible to actually do with the present level of power workers have within the system.
If Marxists believed the system could be reformed, they would be first in line, but in the overwhelming majority of countries where Capitalists have power, this is impossible. A notable exception is countries under the thumb of Imperialism, who usually can band together against Imperialism and form a coalition, though usually revolution is seen as necessary following breaking free (as the CPC and the KMT in China aligned against Japanese colonialism and then fought a revolutionary war against each other).
Block the Lemmy.ml instance and there goes most of those people.
I think thats valid. You don’t have to accept or look at everything.
Do you mind sharing what your ideal society looks like? I think a lot of folks share common ideas but have vastly different labels for them.
I’ll go ahead:
I personally want to work. It can be fun. I want to do things I’m actually good at. I want to be able to afford food and housing. I want to know that i wont starve if I become sick or disabled. I want to be able to survive when I’m too old to work regularly. I want my family to be safe no matter what.
I think those are pretty understandable goals. I want to live in a world where this applies to as many people as possible.
Yeah we all have to work (or contribute to society by our possible means) that’s a given I think.
No ultra rich people (but you need to dream, so no communist pay either). UBI that covers basic food & housing. Art and science as the goal of society (after taking care of everyone).
The problem is what to do with all egomaniacs, is there enough benevolent people or will nobody become a dentist if you don’t need to work (that much)? I mean lots of people get up in the morning and spends their whole life working, because of some crazy angry people (don’t believe me? Go work in some big companies). How do we re-train those people, how do we keep an army? Lots and lots of open ended questions here.
See! I fully agree on the social aspects of your ideals. I would like to give my opinion on your points. Please read them as ideas, not a form of diminishing your thoughts.
Actually, i dont think we do. We produce a lot more than we need (food for 10 billion people) and a lot of crap that only fuels consumerism. Not saying there is an alternative yet but maybe we can agree on “some people definitely need to work for us to survive and thrive.”
Fully agree
But do we? Or is it just a concept we use to keep the current situation going? Would we not dream if we just had the same?
100% agree
would you rather do an easier job that one you have passion and skills for if they were paid the same? I agree that moving trash or working in the sewers should potentially be paid extra. I think currently, education being expensive, doctors are kept scarce. Make it free and watch.
I have. Huge companies are cancer. Nothing more.
from the bottom up, as always. We vote as left as possible (those who still can). We demand UBI, free education, free public transport, fair taxes, free healthcare, etc. We build communities (currently underway) to subvert oppressive systems with mutual support groups, etc.
Again, this is just my personal opinion so please disagree wildly if you wish. Just try to stay constructive.
When you say “but do we?” you hit the problem I see almost always in these kind of discussions.
Yes we do need to dream. Other people don’t need to dream. They both exist and that’s just about one thing. Some have to have a house, another hates children, a third loathes bicycles for whatever reason, another hikes but can’t understand why foreign aid isn’t used for urbanism.
It’s all chaos, and one system fit all isn’t going to cut it IMO. It’s also the reason democracy seems so crappy (no one ever really gets anything the politicians promise) but also the only working system.
Rant off/ :-)
So what can we do to improve our democracies?
many instances, like mine, are ‘generic on-ramps’. their ‘main’ purpose is to provide unfettered access to all other instances.
in this way you curate your own feeds by subscribing to what you want.
lemmy.dbzer0.com - anarchist, hates all states, both USA and Russia/China types
Other non-tankie options are
sh.itjust.works - shhhh… 🤫 it… just works… 😉
lemmy.ca - Canadian 🇨🇦
sopuli.xyz - Run by a Finn 🇫🇮
db0 is a really cool person. Has the piracy sub there too :-)
Sopuli is very pro Ukrainian. Cool good finnish guy it seems.
That’s .ml