While it is true that the EU provides more financial support than the US, the US provides most of the military aid that helped the country withstand and slow down the Russian advance. The EU is powerful as an economic block, but they don’t have a unified army, they depend on American weaponry (with the exception of France), and I don’t see much political will to keep arming Ukraine if the US pulls out completely or if the Trump administration pauses sanctions.
It seems to me that Trump simply cannot get over Zelensky not ‘helping’ him to find something nefarious about Biden’s son during his first administration and now POTUS is first provoking him and then, when Zelensky send a diplomatically worded answer, POTUS overreacts and insults, like he got the excuse he was looking for. So vindictive and victim blaming.
This is not the America I was taught about.
I’ve never seen a country destroy it’s credibility with allies so fast in such a short notice. Putin is sure having a good time watching all this.
I’ve heard most US senators are pro Ukraine, but I don’t see any of them confronting Trump. GOP belongs to MAGA now.
Unless democrats win the midterms in 2026 he’s going to have 4 years of trifecta. I don’t see how Ukraine can survive 4 more years of onslaught only with European help and no boots on the ground.
Does Ukraine have any chance?
The US can’t sign a peace treaty on behalf of Ukraine. They’re not mandated to negotiate by Ukraine.
The US can stop supporting Ukraine but that doesn’t force the Ukrainians to stop fighting, or Europe to stop supporting Ukraine
It’s seems incredibly unlikely to me that Ukraine will cease to exist as a country, even without American support I can’t see it being annexed entirely.
It will, however, probably be forced to make some fairly brutal concessions to Russia, including territorial ones.
Yes, absolutely. The Russian military is still a piece of shit using scared conscripts and outdated equipment. As long as the EU remains willing to fund the Ukrainian defense, they’ll keep fighting.
The real question is whether the EU will still be around. This weekend’s election in Germany is going to be of critical importance.
Is Germany okay rn?
Nah, depends on your position. Our departing government wasn’t too great, because one party (neoliberal shits called the FDP) sabotaged it from day one and the biggest party, the SPD had (and still has) a very bad leadership. So because people want change and are apparently not able to make rational choices, they will most probably give many voices to the conservative (think Democrats in the US) party, which will make an absolute piece of shit (Faschofritze Merz) their Chancellor. So from a US or russian perspective, we are totally fine, but I really fear this sunday (voting day)
I wish you and your country luck. I’ve always thought very highly of Germany and its people. I don’t want to see Germany go down the same path the US is going down.
‘This was not the America I was thought about.’
You might have been thought a little bit of propaganda.
I’ll say what I’ve been saying for a while:
“Russia has nukes. Ukraine does not. The outcome was decided before it began.”
Russia will stay in Ukraine as long as it is profitable to do so, and will leave when that is no longer the case or can get something big enough in response to convince them to leave. The US and EU can supply arms to Ukraine to make it less profitable but even so Russia has far more troops and resources than Ukraine. Unfortunately the US also hinged that support on Ukraine not negotiating for peace so they’ve been dug in extra deep in this and lost at least a generation of men now.
They weren’t independent before and will not be after the war. Just the master will change, maybe.
Why are you on a Marxist Leninist instance promoting Russian fascist imperialism? That’s an odd position to take.
I’m not? Also lemmy.ml isn’t an instance about any of that.
You are claiming Ukraine isn’t independent and will just have a different master which is a very pro-Kremlin POV.
.ml- Marxist Leninism
So back to my question about why you would support this…
Are you arguing that doing everything the US wants, to the point of signing away 50% of every cent made from your natural resources, some sort of freedom? The fact of the matter is that neutrality suited the people of Ukraine very well, but not NATO.
it suited them until they were invaded by Russia. Ukraine is independent and should be in NATO
They weren’t independent since 2014
And now we are back to asking why you are pushing Kremlin talking points.
As a european working in the weapon industry, I love reading american people thinking we make no weapons or the weapons we make are worse. We even sold some ships to the US lol. American military is the best, but not necesarily for quality, but for the sheer amount (aka quantity) coming from how much money you put in there. And a lot of money is spent buying other systems…
I’m not trying to diminish the quality or importance of the French military, the only EU country with an independent industrial military complex, but as of 2025 USAF has 385 operative F-35 and another 1,350 on order. Many NATO allies are procuring this fighter. This is a 5th generation fighter, the Dassault Rafale and the Dassault Mirage 2000 are 4th generation. Currently, no 5th generation fighters are being produced in the EU.
Unpopular opinion, but the Americans have better quality airframes and produce more. On a wide EU-Russia conflict the EU would still depend on US made weaponry. Sad but true.
Which should be a reason good enough to create an EU wide military industrial complex and make your own 5th and 6th generation fighters and your own defense systems.
But the EU is eternally disunited.
I agree with you, also I literally said the same: quantity is literally US strength and EU’s weakness. EU countries are mostly selling their weapons rather than use it. Btw I’m not from france and the industry in my country is as developed as the french one if not more. Kinda happy about the fact you don’t know abouf it though: military info should not be well known or it could become a liability lol
We’ve been through this shit before. Multiple times, in fact, over centuries. We’ll get through it, as we’ve done before. It will likely take time. It will certainly take hell of an effort. But we will.
I’m sorry, but I don’t see it. The century of American supremacy is coming to a close. You may not want to admit it, because everyone in the US has been thought about American exceptionalism since they started school. China will rise, as will Europe possibly. I think Russia is failing as well. Its current lashing out is the end of their term as a great power.
The US is a big country, and the fall will be slow, but I don’t think there is a way to stop it now. I suspect that future historians will trace it back to the Nixon era. Come to think of it, every Republican president since then has also been really, really shitty when it came to preserving the health of the democracy.
Rockerface is Ukrainian, not American.
Being a seemingly temporary non-nation, Americans don’t always understand that people don’t usually just give up and accept conquest. If a people continue to distinguish themselves strongly enough without being literally wiped out or assimilated, they will survive annexation until the next opportunity for rebellion or freedom. Ireland resisted Britain for 800 years - a few years in the shadows of dictators until ordinary Russians grow balls/tits again isn’t necessarily the end of Ukraine.
Being Ukrainian puts a completely different spin on it. My comment still holds true for Americans, but I would rather not see Ukrainians ground under the heel of another dictator, especially one enabled by the stupidification of the United States.
